Day of the Lord
<<<<<< Pre pickering book review old view saved as (02112023_PP_Wrath) Not
sure what to do with this whole Day of the Lord/Wrath
section. Seems the moving of the Pickering dates’
Rapture event has made the Day of the Lord a complete 2nd half of
the seven year period thing rather than an event at the end of it, making this
a Mid Tribulation view.
Starts
with: the sun will be
darkened, the moon will not give its light, stars will fall from the sky (Joel 2:10, Matthew 24:29). In Revelation
6:12, this coincides with the opening of the sixth seal, when the sun
turns black and the moon turns blood red. 2 Thes 2:1-3,
Earthquake #1: Rev 6:12,
8:5-6 Opening of the Sixth seal of
Revelations
As
a call to arms we start out the vengeance of the Lord with voices and
thunderings and lightnings and the first earthquake.
Earth
reel to and fro: D&C 45:48, 88:87, Haggai 2:6-7,22, Isa 24:20, Heb 12:26
Sun
Dark, Moon Blood: D&C 45:42, Rev 6:12, Mat 24:29, Joel 2:31
(According to Pre-Wrath theory (PWV) this marks the start of the Day of
the Lord)
Four Angels standing on the four corners of the earth: Rev 7:1
"AND after these things I
saw four angels• standing on the four corners of the earth, holding
the four winds• of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the
earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."
Could the Four Angels standing on the four
corners of the earth be an actual sign in heaven? What I mean is an
astronomical alignment of four stars or planets. John Pratt identified
these four angels as the Royal Stars. (Regulus, Antares, Fomalhaut and
Aldebaran) (John P. Pratt. Divine Calendars: Astronomical Witnesses of
Sacred Events, AstroCal.: Page 201) I understand that the alignment
of these stars with a typical alignment like the solstice/equinox won't happen
until around 3100 AD, but what about other alignments? If we read
revelations with the understanding of these signs being astronomical events
what other type of alignments might make sense?
End of Silence in heaven for the space of half an hour, the face of the Lord
unveiled : D&C 88:95
Sign of Son of Man in Heaven / great sign in heaven all people see it
together Math 24:30, D&C 88:93
This
sign is not well understood and is usually confused with other signs in the
heavens. When I first looked at Mat 24:30 I wanted to move this event to
a location prior to the gathering of the House of Israel however on further
examination I believe that this is the correct location and what Matthew must
have been seeing is the trumps of the resurrection not the gathering of the
House of Israel in the Great and Marvelous work. Let's take a further look into
this particular event. Joseph Smith has commented on this topic and
placed it into its proper sequence. Let's take a look;
"Judah must return, Jerusalem must be rebuilt, and the
temple, and water come out from under the temple, and the waters of the Dead
Sea be healed. …all this must be done before the Son of Man will make his
appearance. …..then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in
heaven." (Joseph Fielding Smith. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph
Smith. Section Six 1843–44, p.286)
Notice the placement of this event. I will also comment on
the last portion of this in my section. In this statement Joseph went on
to declare that the Prophet will know what the sign is when it is given.
Brother McConkie also touches on this;
" Among the heavenly signs and wonders of the last
days, one is to stand out particularly as the harbinger of the coming of our
Lord. It is singled out and known as the sign of the Son of Man. …….. When this
sign is given, however, it will be known to and identified by the Prophet of
God on earth. (Teachings, pp. 279-280.)" (Bruce R. McConkie. Mormon
Doctrine. p.712)
In addition to the Prophet identifying the sign the elect
will recognize the sign. Brother McConkie goes on to say;
"After the abomination of desolation sweeps Jerusalem
in the last days; after the city is taken, its houses rifled, its women
ravished, and half its inhabitants taken into captivity; after the sun and the
moon refuse to give light and the stars fall from heaven -- then will appear
one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven. At this time, the Lord in his wisdom
has not seen fit to reveal the nature of this sign, though from what follows it
is clear that the elect will recognize it as the heavenly portent given to
announce the coming of their King." (Bruce R. McConkie. The Mortal
Messiah. Vol.3, p.448)
I'm not sure if Brother McConkie was aware of the following
quote from President Woodruff however, some have taken this definition to be
the sign of the son of man spoken of. Let's take a look;
"… I became wrapped in vision. I was like Paul; I did
not know whether I was in the body or out of the body. A personage appeared to
me and showed me the great scenes that should take place in the last days. …. I
saw seven golden lamps set in the heavens, representing the various
dispensations of God to man—a sign that would appear before the coming of
Christ." (Wilford Woodruff. The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff.
p.285)
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Another possible take on what the sign could be: (See section Greater Exodus )
Avraham Gileadi “…Jehovah will form a cloud by day and a mist glowing
with fire by night…”
From Eddie
Chumney (found on youtube 7/1/22) The sign will be the greater part of
the Gathering of Israel which will be with a cloud by date and pillar of fire
by night that all the world would see……..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg21MYS2m1E
https://yeshiva.hebroots.org/the-greater-exodus/
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Aug 2023 update: simply as stated in Math 24:30. This sign is the coming of the Lord, in the
clouds, in power and glory, to judge the world….
13 July 2024 update: based on Youtube video;
Dwelt:“Watchmen Episode 4 - Ezra's Eagle Part 2: The Man From the Sea“
The sign is the Lord returning
on a planet/comet (returning city of Enoch/lost ten tribe ) event.
Lord Preaches his own sermon, Cleansing/ Arm of the
lord falls / Day of the Lord : D&C 43:25-26, 88:88-92
Now at the end of the 3 1/2 year period the Two prophets
are killed and lie dead in the street for 3.5 days: Do they start the Morning
of the first resurrection?
Looking at
the sequence found in D&C 88:96 (Also 45:45) the saints will be
caught up prior to Christ's visit to the Jews at the Mount of Olives just after
the Battle of Armageddon so the next event could be one in the same with the
event listed right after that. Also Bro McConkie points out that the Saints are
caught up after the unveiling of the Lord:
"All
these things, particularly the hidden and undefined period of silence, are
somewhat enigmatic. ..... immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be
unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the
Lord shall be unveiled." Then -- and these events, of necessity, are
chronological -- then "the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive,
shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him." These are they of whom
Paul and others have spoken, as we have heretofore seen. They all shall abide the
day and receive an inheritance in the holy city." : Bruce R. McConkie, The
Millennial Messiah, p.635 - p.636
Prophets are
raised up Rev 11:11-12
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prior to 2/11/23 I had the rapture following or part of the two prophets.
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At one point
I had the section The Marvelous Work and a Wonder /
Great and Marvelous Work 1 Neph 14:7 (Part of or same as His strange act?
Isaiah 28:21, D&C 95:4; 101:95 ) (The meat of this whole section moved to
the Day of the Lord 10/31/2018 based on 1 Neph 14:17. ) Looking at
1 Nephi 14:17 the Day of Wrath is where the GMW starts...????
This seemed to be out of place. So we now have a new web page
covering this which may happen during this time frame or not….Looking at the
full section of 1 Neph 14 looks like the focus of the work is that spelled out
By John the Revelator the greater part follows below.. )
The Lords sets His foot on Mnt. Olives: D&C 45:48, 133:20, Zech
14:3-5
"The appearance at the Mount of Olives. The Savior’s appearance to the Jews will occur when Jerusalem and its
environs are besieged by many nations. At the close of a long and costly war,
known as the battle of Armageddon, the Jews will flee for safety to the Mount
of Olives. There the Savior will make His appearance. (See D&C 45:48–53;
77:15; 133:35; Revelation 11:1–13; Zechariah 14:1–9).
Elder Parley P. Pratt summarized the events associated with that
appearance: “Zechariah, chapter 14, has told us much concerning the great
battle and overthrow of the nations that fight against Jerusalem, and he has
said, in plain words, that the Lord shall come at the very time of the
overthrow of that army; yes, in fact, even while they are in the act of taking
Jerusalem, and have already succeeded in taking one-half the city, spoiling their
houses, and ravishing their women. Then, behold, their long-expected Messiah,
suddenly appearing, shall stand upon the Mount of Olives, a little east of
Jerusalem, to fight against those nations and deliver the Jews. Zechariah says
the Mount of Olives shall cleave in twain, from east to west, and one-half of
the mountain shall remove to the north while the other half falls off to the
south, suddenly forming a very great valley into which the Jews shall flee for
protection from their enemies as they fled from the earthquake in the days of
Uzziah, king of Judah; while the Lord cometh and all the saints with Him. Then
will the Jews behold that long, long-expected Messiah, coming in power to their
deliverance, as they always looked for him. He will destroy their enemies, and
deliver them from trouble at the very time they are in the utmost
consternation, and about to be swallowed up by their enemies. But what will be
their astonishment when they are about to fall at the feet of their Deliverer
and acknowledge him their Messiah! They discover the wounds which were once
made in his hands, feet, and side; and on inquiry, at once recognize Jesus of
Nazareth, the King of the Jews, the man so long rejected. Well did the prophet
say, they shall mourn and weep, every family apart, and their wives apart. But,
thank heaven, there will be an end to their mourning; for he will forgive their
iniquities and cleanse them from uncleanness. Jerusalem shall be a holy city
from that time forth.” (Voice of Warning, pp. 32–33.)" :
http://www.ldsces.org/inst_manuals/dc-in/dc-in-200-g-i.htm#h
Quake #2 Rev 11:13, 16:18, The
Big one “…great aearthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth,
so mighty an earthquake, and so great.”
Caused by the previous event? Lords sets His foot on Mnt. Olives
Arm of the lord falls
We now reach the phase of the Lord's work where His arm falls in
judgment. The time to decide which side of the fence you are sitting on
is over. The judgment begins.
Lord Preaches his own sermon: D&C
43:25-26, 88:88-92
Seven Angels
set: Rev. 8:2, 15:1 6-7, D&C 77:12
Trump/Plague #1: Rev. 8:7, 16:2
With the first trump we have hail and
fire mingled with blood. 1/3 part of the trees burnt up along with all
green grass. The first plague brings noisome and grievous sore on all who have
the mark of the beast.
A devastating hailstorm will destroy the crops of the earth: D&C 29:16
causing widespread famine
Trump/Plague
#2: Rev. 8:8-9, 16:3
The second trump brings 1/3 part of
the sea became blood and 1/3 living in the sea die 1/3 of ships destroyed. The
second plague brings the blood of a dead man to the sea and every living soul
in the sea dies. I’m not sure if this ties to the trump and the plague is
only referencing the 1/3 of the sea that was affected or if the plague is after
the trump.
D&C 61
15-16;Wherefore, the days
will come that no flesh shall be safe upon the waters. And it shall be said in
days to come that none is able to go up to the land of Zion upon the waters,
but he that is upright in heart.
Trump/Plague #3: Rev. 8:10-11, 16:4-7
The third trump brings the Wormwood
star to 1/3 of the rivers and the fountains of waters making them bitter, many
men die. The third plague brings blood to the rivers and fountains of
water making them blood for the wicked to drink as a righteous act of the Lord.
Trump/Plague #4: Rev. 8:12, 16:8-9
The fourth trump brings 1/3 part of
the sun, moon and starts smitten dark and a 1/3 part of the day also. The
fourth plague brings a scorching of men with fire by the sun and they repented
not.
Woe #1/Trump & Plague #5: Rev 8:13, 9:1-11,16:10-11
The beginning of three woes. The
fifth trump brings the key to the bottomless pit. The pit is opened and the
locust reign for five months. Their mission is to torment men that do not
have the mark of god in their foreheads. The fifth plague is against the seat
of the beast and they gnawed their tongues and repented not.
Woe #2/Trump & Plague #6: Rev 8:13, 9:13-21, 16:12-16
The sixth trump brings four bound
angels to the great Euphrates river. They set free an army of 200,000,000
horsemen for 1 year. 1 month, 1day and 1 hour to slay 1/3 part of men. The
sixth plague dries up the river Euphrates and prepares the way of the King of
the East. The 3 unclean spirits perform miracles and gathers support for
Armageddon.
The Great
Church is bound ready to be burned. The Trump will sound loud and long and all
nations hear it: D&C 45:50, 88:94
Woe #3 /
Trump 7 & Plague 7 Rev 11:14-19, 16:17-21
The seventh woe and trump open a seen
of rejoicing in heaven, the kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of
the Lord.
"desolating
scourge" that will reach plague proportions: D&C 29:19
parents and
children seeking each other's lives: Mark 13:12, HC 3:391
Full end to
all nations: D&C 87:6
Quake #3: Rev
11:19
The great
deep shall roll back into the north countries, Continents become one again.
D&C 133:23-24
Wicked burned: Isaiah 24:6,
Mal. 3:2, 4: 1, 3 Ne. 25: 1, D&C 64:23-24, 101:24-25, 133: 64
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Many may think that this is not a argued section, and to that I say, you could
be correct, however I do want to take the opportunity to return to where we
started. Let's return to Section 45 of the D&C the 44th verse.
What does it mean to be cut off? Now we get into the debate.
Many Christians, I think the
majority, have this key event in mind when the topic of the second coming is
brought up. Where the discussion goes from there is what we need to
examine. You have the "Pre-Trib Rapture"ists that jump over
this and all of the tribulations (with the exception of pre-wrath and post-trib
tribulationists). Other Christians, without having looked into it, live
with the hope that this event doesn't apply to them. Indeed many of the
"Born Again Christians" firmly believe that since their acceptance of
Christ as their savior they are protected from ever falling into this
category. Let’s examine who qualifies as "Wicked" for this
event. Brother McConkie points out;
"Malachi
asked: "Who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he
appeareth?" (Mal. 3:2.) In answer he said that Christ would come in
judgment and be a swift witness against sorcerers, adulterers, false swearers,
and all who live after the manner of the world, all who live a telestial law.
All these -- the proud and the wicked -- would be as stubble when "the day
cometh, that shall burn as an oven." (Mal. 3; 4.)" (Bruce R.
McConkie. Mormon Doctrine. p.697)
The wicked
are "those who live a telestial law". This should be clear to
most LDS readers. Let's add to this with analysis from Elder Pratt;
" … the
subject of the coming of the Messiah, and the ushering in of that glorious day
called the Millennium, … all the wicked will be destroyed from the earth by
overwhelming judgments of God and by fire, at the time of his coming… cleansed
by fire from its wicked inhabitants, as it once was by water; and this burning
will include the priests as well as people; all but a few shall be
burned." (Parley P. Pratt. A Voice of Warning. p.54)
Elder Pratt
adds; "The earth will be cleansed by fire... as it once was by
water". He went on to add; "this burning will include priests...all but
a few will be burned". Will we also be counted as the wicked as in
the days of Noah. Will our pride not allow us to be counted worthy of the
first resurrection? let's' add a key point to the list. From Joseph
Smith we have;
" The
prophets all through the ages, when predicting the time of the second coming of
our Lord, have spoken of the destruction of the wicked. Isaiah in his
twenty-fourth chapter said: "Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth,
and they that dwell therein are desolate; therefore the inhabitants of the
earth are burned, and few men left." Malachi speaks of the day coming that
shall burn as an oven; "and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly,
shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of
hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch." (Joseph Fielding
Smith. Church History and Modern Revelation. Vol 1, p.145)
The root or
branch talked about is reference to eternal increase, which comes only to those
in the Celestial Kingdom. We know that those that will be caught up to
meet Christ, qualify for the Celestial Kingdom, and will avoid the burning
fire. Elder McConkie pointed out that those living Telestial lives would
burn. From the Institute manual "The Life and Teachings of Jesus and His
Apostles" we have the follwoing on this topic:
(22-8)
Matthew 24:40 . Why Is It That One Is Destroyed and the Other Left Alone
When the Lord Returns?
"Thus those who shall abide the day, who shall remain on the earth when it is
transfigured ( D. & C. 63:20–21 ), are those who are honest and upright and
who
are living at least that law which would take them to the terrestrial kingdom
of
glory in the resurrection. Anyone living by telestial standards can no longer
remain on earth and so cannot abide the day.
"Hence we find Malachi listing among those who shall not abide the day the
following: sorcerers; adulterers; false swearers; those who oppress the
hireling, the widow, and the fatherless in their wages; those who lead men away
from the truth; those who do not fear God; members of the true Church who do
not
pay an honest tithing; they that work wickedness; and the proud. All these, he
says, shall be as stubble when the day comes that shall burn as an oven. ( Mal.
3 ; 4 ; D. & C. 64:23–25 .)" (McConkie, DNTC, 1:669.
I need help understanding this. Those
who qualify for the Celestial kingdom will be caught up, those who qualify for
the Telestial will be burned. Where does that leave the Terrestrial beings?
From the above McConkie statement "... who shall remain on the earth when it is
transfigured.." may lead you with the understanding that those who
quailify to be in the Terrestrial
kingdom will remain on the earth even though the earth is to undergo
transfiguration and be cleansed by fire prior to the millenium? Seems at odds with the following statement:
“......Following this great event, and after the Lord and the righteous
who are caught up to meet him have descended upon the earth, there will come to
pass another resurrection. This may be considered as a part of the first,
although it comes later. In this resurrection will come forth those of the terrestrial order, who were not worthy to be
caught up to meet him, but who are worthy to come forth to enjoy the
millennial reign” (Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols.
[1954–56], 2:295–97).
Seems to me that from "...the
terrestrial order, who were not worthy to be caught up to meet him.."
resurrected beings (that died, to include those cleansed during the buring) not
worhty to be caught up shows that they will be included with the wicked and
burned.
from the study group we have( Brenda
posted 10/19/2009):
Re:
[lds2ndcoming] Re: What is the state of those who qualify for the Terestial
Kingdom?
Need time to research, but off the
top of my head -
The Celestial
and Terrestrial are both caught up, but the Celestial are caught up a little
higher - up into a cloud, whereas the Terrestrial will be caught up to escape
the burning of the earth, to cleanse it.
Those people
will then wonder what we were doing up there in the cloud, and the missionary
work will commence.
Had never
heard this before, but was taught it at a Seminary Inservice meeting. I will
have to go back and look up my notes to get the details and scripture
references.Also, during the Millenium people living on the earth will undergo a
slight change, live till they are and then die and be resurrected in the
twinking of an eye. They will recieve help from Resurrected beings who will be
around during the Millenium.
Sorry so
jumbled, trying to make dinner, but I had a second,
Brenda......
waiting for the references for this.....
Pending this
update from Brenda. I have returned to my prior assumption that only those that
qualify for the Celestial Kingdom will not be burned. So the wicked
(Telestial) and the Proud (Terrestrial) will be burned.
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