Day of the Lord

June 3 2025 reversion back to pre-wrath view

Grok take on this reversion. Also see Grok take on GMW

Updated 15 June 2025

Starts with: the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, stars will fall from the sky (Joel 2:10, Matthew 24:29). In Revelation 6:12, this coincides with the opening of the sixth seal, when the sun turns black and the moon turns blood red.   2 Thes 2:1-3,

Earthquake #1: Rev 6:12, 8:5-6   Opening of the Sixth seal of Revelations

As a call to arms we start out the vengeance of the Lord with voices and thunderings and lightnings and the first earthquake.

Earth reel to and fro: D&C 45:48, 88:87, Haggai 2:6-7,22, Isa 24:20, Heb 12:26

Sun Dark, Moon Blood: D&C 45:42, Rev 6:12, Mat 24:29, Joel 2:31   (According to Pre-Wrath theory (PWV) this marks the start of the Day of the Lord)

Four Angels standing on the four corners of the earth: Rev 7:1

"AND after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."

Could the Four Angels standing on the four corners of the earth be an actual sign in heaven?  What I mean is an astronomical alignment of four stars or planets.  John Pratt identified these four angels as the Royal Stars. (Regulus, Antares, Fomalhaut and Aldebaran) (John P. Pratt. Divine Calendars: Astronomical Witnesses of Sacred Events, AstroCal.: Page 201)  I understand that the alignment of these stars with a typical alignment like the solstice/equinox won't happen until around 3100 AD, but what about other alignments?  If we read revelations with the understanding of these signs being astronomical events what other type of alignments might make sense?

Silence in heaven for the space of 1/2; hour: D&C 88:95, Rev 8:1 (One theory is that the 1/2 hours is 20.83 years long [one year to God is 1,000 years to man] and this event starts the 21 years and D&C 88:95, where the face of the Lord is unveiled, is the end of that period. Possible place for the Rapture...Pre-Tribulation See event just prior to second coming below)  Opening of the Seventh seal of Revelations

Brother McConkie also leans upon the possibility that this is a 21 year period, but questions if the tribulations come after this period, rather than occurring during the period:

"And when the Lamb "had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." If the time here mentioned is "the Lord's time" in which one day is a thousand years, the half hour would be some twenty-one of our years. (Abr. 3:4; 2 Pet. 3:8.) Could this be interpreted to mean that such a period will elapse after the commencement of the seventh thousand-year period and before the outpouring of the woes about to be named?" : Bruce R. McConkie, The Millennial Messiah, p.382

According to Orson Pratt this quiet period requires the lack of activity even trumps and such that represent the tribulation events. This would support Brother McConkie's view that this period precedes the tribulation period, but that being the case the unveiling of the Lord needs to follow the end of the silence period. To me it makes more sense that the period is the tribulation period. Something to keep in mind. :

".."Immediately after the sounding of this trump there will be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour.....During the period of silence all things are perfectly still; no angels flying during that half hour; no trumpets sounding; no noise in the heavens above; ...." : Journal of Discourses, Vol.16, p.328, Orson Pratt, December 28, 1873

end of Silence in heaven for the space of half an hour, the face of the Lord unveiled : D&C 88:95 (Possible end of the 21 year period started with Rev 8:1 see note above

 

Sign of Son of Man in Heaven / great sign in heaven all people see it together Math 24:30, D&C 88:93

This sign is not well understood and is usually confused with other signs in the heavens.  When I first looked at Mat 24:30 I wanted to move this event to a location prior to the gathering of the House of Israel however on further examination I believe that this is the correct location and what Matthew must have been seeing is the trumps of the resurrection not the gathering of the House of Israel in the Great and Marvelous work. Let's take a further look into this particular event.  Joseph Smith has commented on this topic and placed it into its proper sequence.  Let's take a look;

"Judah must return, Jerusalem must be rebuilt, and the temple, and water come out from under the temple, and the waters of the Dead Sea be healed. …all this must be done before the Son of Man will make his appearance. …..then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven."  (Joseph Fielding Smith. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Section Six 1843–44, p.286)

 

Notice the placement of this event. I will also comment on the last portion of this in my section.  In this statement Joseph went on to declare that the Prophet will know what the sign is when it is given.  Brother McConkie also touches on this;

" Among the heavenly signs and wonders of the last days, one is to stand out particularly as the harbinger of the coming of our Lord. It is singled out and known as the sign of the Son of Man. …….. When this sign is given, however, it will be known to and identified by the Prophet of God on earth. (Teachings, pp. 279-280.)"  (Bruce R. McConkie. Mormon Doctrine. p.712)

 

In addition to the Prophet identifying the sign the elect will recognize the sign.  Brother McConkie goes on to say;

"After the abomination of desolation sweeps Jerusalem in the last days; after the city is taken, its houses rifled, its women ravished, and half its inhabitants taken into captivity; after the sun and the moon refuse to give light and the stars fall from heaven -- then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven. At this time, the Lord in his wisdom has not seen fit to reveal the nature of this sign, though from what follows it is clear that the elect will recognize it as the heavenly portent given to announce the coming of their King."  (Bruce R. McConkie. The Mortal Messiah.  Vol.3, p.448)

 

I'm not sure if Brother McConkie was aware of the following quote from President Woodruff however, some have taken this definition to be the sign of the son of man spoken of.  Let's take a look;

"… I became wrapped in vision. I was like Paul; I did not know whether I was in the body or out of the body. A personage appeared to me and showed me the great scenes that should take place in the last days. …. I saw seven golden lamps set in the heavens, representing the various dispensations of God to man—a sign that would appear before the coming of Christ."  (Wilford Woodruff. The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff. p.285)

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Another possible take on what the sign could be:  (See section Greater Exodus )

Avraham Gileadi  “…Jehovah will form a cloud by day and a mist glowing with fire by night…”

From Eddie Chumney (found on youtube 7/1/22) The sign will be the greater part of the Gathering of Israel which will be with a cloud by date and pillar of fire by night that all the world would see……..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg21MYS2m1E

 

https://yeshiva.hebroots.org/the-greater-exodus/

 


Lord Preaches his own sermon, Cleansing/ Arm of the lord falls  / Day of the Lord : D&C 43:25-26, 88:88-92  
 


Now at the end of the 3 1/2 year period the Two prophets are killed and lie dead in the street for 3.5 days: Do they start the Morning of the first resurrection?

Looking at the sequence found in  D&C 88:96 (Also 45:45)  the saints will be caught up prior to Christ's visit to the Jews at the Mount of Olives just after the Battle of Armageddon so the next event could be one in the same with the event listed right after that. Also Bro McConkie points out that the Saints are caught up after the unveiling of the Lord:

"All these things, particularly the hidden and undefined period of silence, are somewhat enigmatic. ..... immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled." Then -- and these events, of necessity, are chronological -- then "the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him." These are they of whom Paul and others have spoken, as we have heretofore seen. They all shall abide the day and receive an inheritance in the holy city." : Bruce R. McConkie, The Millennial Messiah, p.635 - p.636

Prophets are raised up Rev 11:11-12

Four trumps of the resurrection

Rapture:  Math 24:31, 1 Thes 4:15-18, D&C 45:45, 88:96,
Saints Caught up/ Morning of the first resurrection, First Fruits, angels Trump; Math 24:39-42, Luke 17:29-36,  1 Thes 4:16-17, 1 Cor 15:51-52,  D&C 45:45-46, D&C 88:96. 133:56.

Take note of the placement of this event. Many believe there will be a rapture that will preclude having to go through the refiner's fire (Pre-Tribulation).  Nelson Walters, (Rapture: Case Closed?, page 113) attributes this view to Three scriptures, Rev 3:10, 1 Thes 1:10 and 2 Peter 2:9. Prior to reading His book I found this was based on Luke 21:36, they key phrase being ...escape all these things..  (John Hagee, Four Blood Moons, page 78)  Also according to Hagee the post-Tribulation view comes from 1 Cor 15:51-52 "...at the last Trumpet" putting the rapture after the tribulations (John Hagee, Four Blood Moons, page 89).  There is also a less favored Mid-Tribulation view, at the mid point of the 7 year period,  of which the Pickering’s seems to be one: see their web site. From an LDS view see D&C 45:45.  Most Christians talk about the Church being caught up.  I think they are spot on.  The next question is which Church?
 

So who qualifies for this?  Many Christians are counting on this event and look forward to this day.  Who will be included in those who are caught up (raptured) ? My studies to date reflect an understanding that it is they who qualify for the Celestial Kingdom (by qualify I do not limit it to those who have completed all the necesary requirements but also include the good men of the living  who would have done so if given the opportunity as understood  in D&C 137:7-8 )  There is limited LDS material dealing with this topic but in line with Brother McConkies teachings those qualifying for lower kingdoms will not be present at the beginning of the Millenium and thus would not qualify for this event. (Current understanding: The "Church" will be The Church of the Firstborn, the saints who have the mark in their forehead (אֵ֥ת :Aleph Tav (Alpha and Amega): text hidden in the original Hebrew identifies who qualifies for the mark, and in and of itself is a mark)  Revelation 7:3; 9:4; 14:1; 22:4... More to follow as it becomes available. Also see section below: Wicked burned ...)

According to Steve Cioccolanti

 (Discover Ministries: Discover.org.au) The last trumpet spoken of is not the trumpets of revelations but the last trump of the feast of trumpets , Yom Teruah or Rosh Hashannah, it falls on the first day of Etanim, (also known traditionally as Tishri) which is the seventh month (I.E. September 14 2015)  on the Jewish lunar Calendar. If He is accurate then we have a fixed date assigned to the rapture.  He also looks for this to happen prior to the tribulation events.
Looking at a statement by Willford Woodruff  (Journal of Discourses  18:192)  "...there must be a place of safety for the people of God while his judgments are abroad in the earth, for the judgments of God will visit the earth.."  looks like the Pre-Tribulation option is off the table.

“......Following this great event, and after the Lord and the righteous who are caught up to meet him have descended upon the earth, there will come to pass another resurrection. This may be considered as a part of the first, although it comes later. In this resurrection will come forth those of the terrestrial order, who were not worthy to be caught up to meet him, but who are worthy to come forth to enjoy the millennial reign” (Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [1954–56], 2:295–97).


The event is real but the timing is key. Many of the trials will need to be endured. Like the 10 virgins we must be prepared in order to make it through, then comes the lifting up of the Saints to meet Christ just prior to the burning of the wicked. (I had this just prior to the wicked being burned, but looking at D&C 45:45 this event happens prior to the arm of the Lord falling. so I moved it to the section dealing with the Arm of the Lord.  I have now moved it back to this spot.  I have reasoned that the portion of the Arm of the Lord falling is the part of that area dealing with the final cleansing.  Looking at D&C 15:6 and McConkies New witness of the articles of faith 573 and J.S. History 2:52 I don't se a pre-tribulation option. This event doesn't fit prior to all of the arm of the lord events. and in my mind is right before the next event on this list.)

At one point I had the section The Marvelous Work and a Wonder / Great and Marvelous Work 1 Neph 14:7 (Part of or same as His strange act? Isaiah 28:21, D&C 95:4; 101:95 ) (The meat of this whole section moved to the Day of the Lord 10/31/2018  based on 1 Neph 14:17. ) Looking at  1 Nephi 14:17 the Day of Wrath is where  the  GMW starts...????   This seemed to be out of place. So we now have a new web page covering this which may happen during this time frame or not….Looking at the full section of 1 Neph 14 looks like the focus of the work is that spelled out By John the Revelator the greater part follows below.. )



The Lords sets His foot on Mnt. Olives: D&C 45:48, 133:20, Zech 14:3-5

"The appearance at the Mount of Olives. The Savior’s appearance to the Jews will occur when Jerusalem and its environs are besieged by many nations. At the close of a long and costly war, known as the battle of Armageddon, the Jews will flee for safety to the Mount of Olives. There the Savior will make His appearance. (See D&C 45:48–53; 77:15; 133:35; Revelation 11:1–13; Zechariah 14:1–9).

Elder Parley P. Pratt summarized the events associated with that appearance: “Zechariah, chapter 14, has told us much concerning the great battle and overthrow of the nations that fight against Jerusalem, and he has said, in plain words, that the Lord shall come at the very time of the overthrow of that army; yes, in fact, even while they are in the act of taking Jerusalem, and have already succeeded in taking one-half the city, spoiling their houses, and ravishing their women. Then, behold, their long-expected Messiah, suddenly appearing, shall stand upon the Mount of Olives, a little east of Jerusalem, to fight against those nations and deliver the Jews. Zechariah says the Mount of Olives shall cleave in twain, from east to west, and one-half of the mountain shall remove to the north while the other half falls off to the south, suddenly forming a very great valley into which the Jews shall flee for protection from their enemies as they fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah, king of Judah; while the Lord cometh and all the saints with Him. Then will the Jews behold that long, long-expected Messiah, coming in power to their deliverance, as they always looked for him. He will destroy their enemies, and deliver them from trouble at the very time they are in the utmost consternation, and about to be swallowed up by their enemies. But what will be their astonishment when they are about to fall at the feet of their Deliverer and acknowledge him their Messiah! They discover the wounds which were once made in his hands, feet, and side; and on inquiry, at once recognize Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews, the man so long rejected. Well did the prophet say, they shall mourn and weep, every family apart, and their wives apart. But, thank heaven, there will be an end to their mourning; for he will forgive their iniquities and cleanse them from uncleanness. Jerusalem shall be a holy city from that time forth.” (Voice of Warning, pp. 32–33.)" : http://www.ldsces.org/inst_manuals/dc-in/dc-in-200-g-i.htm#h

Quake #2  Rev 11:13, 16:18, The Big one “…great aearthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.  Caused by the previous event? Lords sets His foot on Mnt. Olives

Arm of the lord falls
We now reach the phase of the Lord's work where His arm falls in judgment.  The time to decide which side of the fence you are sitting on is over.  The judgment begins.

Lord Preaches his own sermon: D&C 43:25-26, 88:88-92

Seven Angels set: Rev. 8:2, 15:1 6-7,  D&C 77:12


Trump/Plague #1: Rev. 8:7, 16:2

With the first trump we have hail and fire mingled with blood.  1/3 part of the trees burnt up along with all green grass. The first plague brings noisome and grievous sore on all who have the mark of the beast.


A devastating hailstorm will destroy the crops of the earth: D&C 29:16 causing widespread famine

Trump/Plague #2: Rev. 8:8-9, 16:3

The second trump brings 1/3 part of the sea became blood and 1/3 living in the sea die 1/3 of ships destroyed. The second plague brings the blood of a dead man to the sea and every living soul in the sea dies.  I’m not sure if this ties to the trump and the plague is only referencing the 1/3 of the sea that was affected or if the plague is after the trump.


D&C 61

  15-16;Wherefore, the days will come that no flesh shall be safe upon the waters. And it shall be said in days to come that none is able to go up to the land of Zion upon the waters, but he that is upright in heart.


Trump/Plague #3: Rev. 8:10-11, 16:4-7

The third trump brings the Wormwood star to 1/3 of the rivers and the fountains of waters making them bitter, many men die.  The third plague brings blood to the rivers and fountains of water making them blood for the wicked to drink as a righteous act of the Lord.


Trump/Plague #4: Rev. 8:12, 16:8-9

The fourth trump brings 1/3 part of the sun, moon and starts smitten dark and a 1/3 part of the day also. The fourth plague brings a scorching of men with fire by the sun and they repented not.


Woe #1/Trump & Plague #5: Rev 8:13, 9:1-11,16:10-11

The beginning of three woes. The fifth trump brings the key to the bottomless pit. The pit is opened and the locust reign for five months.  Their mission is to torment men that do not have the mark of god in their foreheads. The fifth plague is against the seat of the beast and they gnawed their tongues and repented not.


Woe #2/Trump & Plague #6: Rev 8:13, 9:13-21, 16:12-16

The sixth trump brings four bound angels to the great Euphrates river.  They set free an army of 200,000,000 horsemen for 1 year. 1 month, 1day and 1 hour to slay 1/3 part of men. The sixth plague dries up the river Euphrates and prepares the way of the King of the East.  The 3 unclean spirits perform miracles and gathers support for Armageddon.

The Great Church is bound ready to be burned. The Trump will sound loud and long and all nations hear it: D&C 45:50, 88:94

Woe #3 / Trump 7  & Plague 7 Rev 11:14-19, 16:17-21

The seventh woe and trump open a seen of rejoicing in heaven, the kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of the Lord.

"desolating scourge" that will reach plague proportions: D&C 29:19

parents and children seeking each other's lives: Mark 13:12, HC 3:391

Full end to all nations: D&C 87:6

Quake #3: Rev 11:19

The great deep shall roll back into the north countries, Continents become one again. D&C 133:23-24

Wicked burned:  Isaiah 24:6, Mal. 3:2, 4: 1, 3 Ne. 25: 1, D&C 64:23-24, 101:24-25, 133: 64

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Many may think that this is not a argued section, and to that I say, you could be correct, however I do want to take the opportunity to return to where we started.  Let's return to Section 45 of the D&C the 44th verse.  What does it mean to be cut off?  Now we get into the debate.

Many Christians, I think the majority, have this key event in mind when the topic of the second coming is brought up. Where the discussion goes from there is what we need to examine.  You have the "Pre-Trib Rapture"ists that jump over this and all of the tribulations (with the exception of pre-wrath and post-trib tribulationists).  Other Christians, without having looked into it, live with the hope that this event doesn't apply to them.  Indeed many of the "Born Again Christians" firmly believe that since their acceptance of Christ as their savior they are protected from ever falling into this category.  Let’s examine who qualifies as "Wicked" for this event. Brother McConkie points out;

"Malachi asked: "Who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth?" (Mal. 3:2.) In answer he said that Christ would come in judgment and be a swift witness against sorcerers, adulterers, false swearers, and all who live after the manner of the world, all who live a telestial law. All these -- the proud and the wicked -- would be as stubble when "the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven." (Mal. 3; 4.)"  (Bruce R. McConkie. Mormon Doctrine. p.697)

 

The wicked are "those who live a telestial law".  This should be clear to most LDS readers.  Let's add to this with analysis from Elder Pratt;

" … the subject of the coming of the Messiah, and the ushering in of that glorious day called the Millennium, … all the wicked will be destroyed from the earth by overwhelming judgments of God and by fire, at the time of his coming… cleansed by fire from its wicked inhabitants, as it once was by water; and this burning will include the priests as well as people; all but a few shall be burned."  (Parley P. Pratt. A Voice of Warning. p.54)

 

Elder Pratt adds; "The earth will be cleansed by fire... as it once was by water". He went on to add; "this burning will include priests...all but a few will be burned".  Will we also be counted as the wicked as in the days of Noah.  Will our pride not allow us to be counted worthy of the first resurrection?  let's' add a key point to the list.  From Joseph Smith we have;

" The prophets all through the ages, when predicting the time of the second coming of our Lord, have spoken of the destruction of the wicked. Isaiah in his twenty-fourth chapter said: "Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate; therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left." Malachi speaks of the day coming that shall burn as an oven; "and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch." (Joseph Fielding Smith. Church History and Modern Revelation. Vol 1, p.145)

 

The root or branch talked about is reference to eternal increase, which comes only to those in the Celestial Kingdom.  We know that those that will be caught up to meet Christ, qualify for the Celestial Kingdom, and will avoid the burning fire.  Elder McConkie pointed out that those living Telestial lives would burn. From the Institute manual "The Life and Teachings of Jesus and His Apostles"  we have the follwoing on this topic:

(22-8) Matthew 24:40 . Why Is It That One Is Destroyed and the Other Left Alone
When the Lord Returns?
"Thus those who shall abide the day, who shall remain on the earth when it is
transfigured ( D. & C. 63:20–21 ), are those who are honest and upright and who
are living at least that law which would take them to the terrestrial kingdom of
glory in the resurrection. Anyone living by telestial standards can no longer
remain on earth and so cannot abide the day.

"Hence we find Malachi listing among those who shall not abide the day the
following: sorcerers; adulterers; false swearers; those who oppress the
hireling, the widow, and the fatherless in their wages; those who lead men away
from the truth; those who do not fear God; members of the true Church who do not
pay an honest tithing; they that work wickedness; and the proud. All these, he
says, shall be as stubble when the day comes that shall burn as an oven. ( Mal.
3 ; 4 ; D. & C. 64:23–25 .)" (McConkie, DNTC, 1:669.

I need help understanding this. Those who qualify for the Celestial kingdom will be caught up, those who qualify for the Telestial will be burned. Where does that leave the Terrestrial beings?  From the above McConkie statement "... who shall remain on the earth when it is transfigured.."  may lead you with the understanding that those who quailify to be in the Terrestrial kingdom will remain on the earth even though the earth is to undergo transfiguration and be cleansed by fire prior to the millenium?   Seems at odds with the following statement:  “......Following this great event, and after the Lord and the righteous who are caught up to meet him have descended upon the earth, there will come to pass another resurrection. This may be considered as a part of the first, although it comes later. In this resurrection will come forth those of the terrestrial order, who were not worthy to be caught up to meet him, but who are worthy to come forth to enjoy the millennial reign” (Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [1954–56], 2:295–97).


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Reconciling the Statements

The apparent contradiction arises from the question of whether Terrestrial beings are spared the burning (and remain on the earth during the Millennium) or are destroyed alongside the Telestial wicked and resurrected later. Let’s break it down:

  1. McConkie’s View on Terrestrial Beings:
    • McConkie’s statement in The Life and Teachings of Jesus and His Apostles (citing D&C 63:20–21) indicates that those who “abide the day” must be living at least a Terrestrial law. This suggests that individuals who qualify for the Terrestrial Kingdom (whether living or dead at the time of the Second Coming) are not burned with the Telestial wicked but remain on the earth as it is transfigured into a Terrestrial state for the Millennium.
    • This aligns with the idea that the Millennium is a Terrestrial world (D&C 88:17–20), where those of Terrestrial glory can dwell. The cleansing fire targets those living a Telestial law, not those who meet the Terrestrial standard of being honorable and upright.
  2. Joseph Fielding Smith’s View:
    • Smith’s statement in Doctrines of Salvation emphasizes that Terrestrial beings are not caught up to meet Christ (a privilege reserved for Celestial beings) but are worthy to come forth in a later phase of the resurrection to enjoy the Millennium. This does not necessarily mean they are burned with the wicked. Instead, it could mean:
      • Living Terrestrial Beings: Those alive at the Second Coming who qualify for Terrestrial glory may remain on the earth during the cleansing (as McConkie suggests) and continue into the Millennium without being caught up.
      • Deceased Terrestrial Beings: Those who have died and qualify for Terrestrial glory will be resurrected after the initial catching up of Celestial beings but before the Millennium fully begins, allowing them to participate in the millennial reign.
    • Smith’s statement does not explicitly say that Terrestrial beings are burned. Rather, it emphasizes their distinction from Celestial beings (not caught up) and their worthiness to participate in the Millennium.
  3. The Cleansing Fire and the Terrestrial Order:
    • The cleansing fire is described as targeting the “proud and wicked” who live a Telestial law (Malachi 4:1; D&C 64:23–24). Since Terrestrial beings are described as honorable and upright (D&C 76:71–75), they do not fall into the category of the “wicked” who are burned as stubble.
    • The earth’s transfiguration into a Terrestrial state (D&C 63:20–21) suggests that it becomes a suitable dwelling place for those of Terrestrial glory. Thus, it is logical that living Terrestrial beings would remain on the earth during this transition, as McConkie indicates, rather than being destroyed.
  4. Resurrection Timing:
    • The “first resurrection” includes both Celestial and Terrestrial beings (D&C 88:97–99). However, it occurs in phases:
      • Morning of the First Resurrection: Celestial beings (living and dead) are caught up to meet Christ and resurrected (D&C 88:96–97).
      • Later Phase of the First Resurrection: Terrestrial beings (primarily the deceased) are resurrected to participate in the Millennium (D&C 88:99).
    • Living Terrestrial beings may not need to be resurrected because they are already alive and can abide the day, as McConkie suggests. They would continue into the Millennium without being caught up or burned.

Clarification on the Fate of Terrestrial Beings

Based on the above analysis, here’s a clear picture of the fate of Terrestrial beings:

  • Living Terrestrial Beings: Those alive at the Second Coming who qualify for the Terrestrial Kingdom (honorable but not valiant in the testimony of Jesus) will “abide the day” and remain on the earth during its transfiguration. They are not burned with the Telestial wicked because they are not living a Telestial law. They will continue to dwell on the earth during the Millennium, which is a Terrestrial world.
  • Deceased Terrestrial Beings: Those who have died and qualify for Terrestrial glory will be resurrected in a later phase of the first resurrection, after the Celestial beings are caught up, to participate in the Millennium (as per Joseph Fielding Smith).
  • Not Burned: Terrestrial beings are not included with the “wicked” who are burned as stubble. The cleansing fire targets those living a Telestial law, not those who meet the Terrestrial standard of being honorable and upright.

Addressing the Apparent Contradiction

The tension between McConkie’s and Smith’s statements is resolved by recognizing that they are addressing different aspects of the same doctrine:

  • McConkie focuses on who can “abide the day” and remain on the earth during the cleansing and transfiguration (those living at least a Terrestrial law).
  • Smith emphasizes the resurrection order, noting that Terrestrial beings are not caught up with Celestial beings but are still worthy to participate in the Millennium, either by remaining alive (if living) or being resurrected later (if deceased).

There is no indication in either statement that Terrestrial beings are burned with the wicked. Instead, both sources suggest that Terrestrial beings are spared the destruction and participate in the Millennium, either as living individuals who abide the day or as resurrected beings who come forth later.

Conclusion

The scriptures and prophetic teachings make it clear that the “wicked” who are burned are those living a Telestial law, not those who qualify for Terrestrial glory. Terrestrial beings—honorable and upright individuals—will either remain on the earth (if alive) or be resurrected later (if deceased) to enjoy the Millennium. Only those who qualify for the Celestial Kingdom will be caught up to meet Christ, while the Telestial wicked will be consumed by the cleansing fire. As we prepare for the Second Coming, let us strive to live worthy of the Celestial Kingdom, that we may be counted among those who meet the Lord and receive the blessing of eternal increase.

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scriptural basis for the pre-wrath rapture and the cleansing leaving no one on earth includes Matthew 24:29–31, 2 Peter 3:10–12, Revelation 6:12–17, Revelation 7:9–14, Isaiah 24:1–6, Luke 17:26–30, 1 Thessalonians 5:2–9, and Zephaniah 1:14–18. These passages support the rapture’s timing (post-tribulation, pre-wrath) and a fiery, devastating judgment leaving the earth uninhabited. The “no one left” claim is an interpretive leap, most strongly tied to 2 Peter 3:10–12 and Isaiah 24:1–6.

Pre-Wrath Rapture and Cleansing Scriptures

Monte Judah (Lion and Lamb Ministries)

  • Rapture Timing:
    • Matthew 24:29–31: Gathering of the elect after tribulation, marking the rapture before God’s wrath.
    • Revelation 6:12–17: Sixth seal’s cosmic signs signal the onset of God’s wrath, with rapture preceding it.
    • Revelation 7:9–14: Multitude in heaven post-tribulation, representing the raptured church.
    • 1 Thessalonians 5:2–9: Believers escape the Day of the Lord’s wrath via rapture.
  • Cleansing/No One Left:
    • 2 Peter 3:10–12: Fiery destruction of elements, implying an uninhabited earth during cleansing.
    • Isaiah 24:1–6: Earth laid waste, supporting total depopulation post-rapture.
    • Zephaniah 1:14–18: Earth consumed by fire, aligning with a cleansing leaving no one.
    • Luke 17:26–30: Noah/Lot analogies suggest total judgment after believers’ removal.

Marvin Rosenthal (Zion’s Hope)

  • Rapture Timing:
    • Matthew 24:29–31: Elect gathered post-tribulation, before wrath.
    • Revelation 6:12–17: Sixth seal marks the rapture and wrath’s onset.
    • Revelation 7:9–14: Multitude in heaven after tribulation.
    • 1 Thessalonians 5:2–9: Believers spared from wrath.
    • 2 Thessalonians 2:1–4: Rebellion and man of lawlessness precede rapture.
  • Judgment/Cleansing:
    • 2 Peter 3:10–12: Fiery judgment during Day of the Lord, but no total depopulation.
    • Joel 2:30–31: Cosmic signs before wrath, not emphasizing uninhabited earth.

Robert Van Kampen

  • Rapture Timing:
    • Matthew 24:29–31: Rapture post-tribulation, pre-wrath.
    • Revelation 6:12–17: Sixth seal triggers rapture.
    • Revelation 7:9–14: Raptured multitude in heaven.
    • 1 Thessalonians 5:2–9: Escape from wrath.
    • Daniel 9:27: Abomination of Desolation as a midpoint marker.
  • Judgment/Cleansing:
    • 2 Peter 3:10–12: Fiery judgment, but allows survivors.
    • Isaiah 13:9–13: Day of the Lord’s wrath, not uninhabited earth.

Alan Kurschner (Eschatos Ministries)

  • Rapture Timing:
    • Matthew 24:29–31: Rapture after tribulation, before wrath.
    • Revelation 6:12–17: Sixth seal signals rapture.
    • Revelation 7:9–14: Multitude post-tribulation.
    • 1 Thessalonians 5:2–9: Believers spared wrath.
    • 2 Thessalonians 2:1–4, Daniel 9:27: Key events precede rapture.
  • Judgment/Cleansing:
    • 2 Peter 3:10–12, Zephaniah 1:14–18: Fiery judgment, but allows survivors.
    • Joel 2:30–31: Cosmic signs mark wrath, not total depopulation.

Monte Judah’s pre-wrath rapture view aligns with Marvin Rosenthal, Robert Van Kampen, and Alan Kurschner on the rapture’s timing (sixth seal, post-tribulation, pre-wrath) and core scriptures (Matthew 24:29–31, Revelation 6:12–17, 1 Thessalonians 5:2–9). However, his claim that “no one will be left on earth” during a post-rapture cleansing, based on 2 Peter 3:10–12, Isaiah 24:1–6, and Zephaniah 1:14–18, is unique and not shared by the others, who allow for survivors entering the millennium.

 

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