Day of the Lord
Starts
with: the sun will be
darkened, the moon will not give its light, stars will fall from the sky (Joel
Earthquake #1:
As
a call to arms we start out the vengeance of the Lord with voices and
thunderings and lightnings and the first earthquake.
Earth
reel to and fro: D&C 45:48, 88:87, Haggai 2:6-7,22, Isa 24:20, Heb 12:26
Four Angels standing on the four corners of the earth: Rev 7:1
"AND after these things I
saw four angels• standing on the four corners of the earth, holding
the four winds• of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the
earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."
Could the Four Angels standing on the four
corners of the earth be an actual sign in heaven? What I mean is an
astronomical alignment of four stars or planets. John Pratt identified
these four angels as the Royal Stars. (Regulus, Antares, Fomalhaut and Aldebaran)
(John P. Pratt. Divine Calendars: Astronomical Witnesses of Sacred Events,
AstroCal.: Page 201) I understand that the alignment of these stars with
a typical alignment like the solstice/equinox won't happen until around 3100
AD, but what about other alignments? If we read revelations with the
understanding of these signs being astronomical events what other type of
alignments might make sense?
Silence in heaven for the space of 1/2; hour: D&C 88:95, Rev 8:1 (One
theory is that the 1/2 hours is 20.83 years long [one year to God is 1,000
years to man] and this event starts the 21 years and D&C 88:95, where the
face of the Lord is unveiled, is the end of that period. Possible place for the
Rapture...Pre-Tribulation See event just prior to second coming below)
Brother McConkie also leans upon the possibility
that this is a 21 year period, but questions if the tribulations come after
this period, rather than occurring during the period:
"And
when the Lamb "had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven
about the space of half an hour." If the time here mentioned is "the
Lord's time" in which one day is a thousand years, the half hour would be
some twenty-one of our years. (Abr. 3:4; 2 Pet. 3:8.) Could this be interpreted
to mean that such a period will elapse after the commencement of the seventh
thousand-year period and before the outpouring of the woes about to be
named?" : Bruce R. McConkie, The Millennial Messiah, p.382
According to Orson Pratt this quiet period
requires the lack of activity even trumps and such that represent the
tribulation events. This would support Brother McConkie's view that this period
precedes the tribulation period, but that being the case the unveiling of the
Lord needs to follow the end of the silence period. To me it makes more sense
that the period is the tribulation period. Something to keep in mind. :
".."Immediately
after the sounding of this trump there will be silence in heaven for the space
of half an hour.....During the period of silence all things are perfectly
still; no angels flying during that half hour; no trumpets sounding; no noise
in the heavens above; ...." : Journal of Discourses, Vol.16, p.328, Orson
Pratt,
end of Silence in heaven for the space of half an hour, the face of the Lord
unveiled : D&C 88:95 (Possible end of the 21 year period started with
Rev 8:1 see note above )
Sign of Son of Man in Heaven / great sign in heaven all people see it
together Math 24:30, D&C 88:93
"
Notice the placement of this event. I will also comment on
the last portion of this in my section. In this statement Joseph went on
to declare that the Prophet will know what the sign is when it is given.
Brother McConkie also touches on this;
" Among the heavenly signs and wonders of the last days,
one is to stand out particularly as the harbinger of the coming of our Lord. It
is singled out and known as the sign of the Son of Man. …….. When this sign is
given, however, it will be known to and identified by the Prophet of God on
earth. (Teachings, pp. 279-280.)" (Bruce R. McConkie. Mormon
Doctrine. p.712)
In addition to the Prophet identifying the sign the elect
will recognize the sign. Brother McConkie goes on to say;
"After the abomination of desolation sweeps Jerusalem
in the last days; after the city is taken, its houses rifled, its women
ravished, and half its inhabitants taken into captivity; after the sun and the
moon refuse to give light and the stars fall from heaven -- then will appear
one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven. At this time, the Lord in his
wisdom has not seen fit to reveal the nature of this sign, though from what
follows it is clear that the elect will recognize it as the heavenly portent
given to announce the coming of their King." (Bruce R. McConkie. The
Mortal Messiah. Vol.3, p.448)
I'm not sure if Brother McConkie was aware of the following
quote from President Woodruff however, some have taken this definition to be
the sign of the son of man spoken of. Let's take a look;
"… I became wrapped in vision. I was like Paul; I did
not know whether I was in the body or out of the body. A personage appeared to
me and showed me the great scenes that should take place in the last days. …. I
saw seven golden lamps set in the heavens, representing the various dispensations
of God to man—a sign that would appear before the coming of Christ."
(Wilford Woodruff. The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff. p.285)
>>>>
Another possible take on what the sign could be: (See section Greater Exodus )
Avraham Gileadi “…Jehovah will form a cloud by day and a mist glowing with fire by night…”
From Eddie Chumney (found on youtube 7/1/22) The sign will be the greater part of the Gathering of Israel which will be with a cloud by date and pillar of fire by night that all the world would see……..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg21MYS2m1E
https://yeshiva.hebroots.org/the-greater-exodus/
Now at the end of the 3 1/2 year period the Two prophets are killed and
lie dead in the street for 3.5 days: Do they start the Morning of the first
resurrection?
Looking at the sequence found in D&C 88:96 (Also 45:45) the
saints will be caught up prior to Christ's visit to the Jews at the Mount of
Olives just after the Battle of Armageddon so the next event could be one in
the same with the event listed right after that. Also Bro McConkie points out
that the Saints are caught up after the unveiling of the Lord:
"All these things, particularly the hidden and undefined
period of silence, are somewhat enigmatic. ..... immediately after shall the
curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up,
and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled." Then -- and these events, of
necessity, are chronological -- then "the saints that are upon the earth,
who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him." These are
they of whom Paul and others have spoken, as we have heretofore seen. They all
shall abide the day and receive an inheritance in the holy city." : Bruce
R. McConkie, The Millennial Messiah, p.635 - p.636
Prophets are raised up
Four trumps of the resurrection
Rapture:
Math 24:31, 1 Thes 4:15-18, D&C 45:45, 88:96,
Saints Caught up/ Morning of the first resurrection, First Fruits, angels
Trump; Math 24:39-42, Luke 17:29-36, 1 Thes 4:16-17, 1 Cor
15:51-52, D&C 45:45-46, D&C 88:96. 133:56.
Take
note of the placement of this event. Many believe there will be a rapture that
will preclude having to go through the refiner's fire (Pre-Tribulation).
Nelson Walters, (Rapture: Case Closed?, page 113) attributes this view to Three
scriptures,
So who
qualifies for this? Many Christians are counting on this event and look
forward to this day. Who will be included in those who are caught up
(raptured) ? My studies to date reflect an understanding that it is they who
qualify for the Celestial Kingdom (by qualify I do not limit it to those who
have completed all the necesary requirements but also include the good men of
the living who would have done so if given the opportunity as
understood in D&C 137:7-8 ) There is limited LDS material
dealing with this topic but in line with Brother McConkies teachings those
qualifying for lower kingdoms will not be present at the beginning of the
Millenium and thus would not qualify for this event. (Current understanding:
The "Church" will be The Church of the Firstborn, the saints who have
the mark in their forehead (אֵ֥ת
:Aleph Tav (Alpha and Amega): text hidden in the original Hebrew
identifies who qualifies for the mark, and in and of itself is a mark) Revelation 7:3; 9:4; 14:1; 22:4... More to
follow as it becomes available. Also see section below: Wicked burned ...)
According
to Steve Cioccolanti
(Discover
Ministries: Discover.org.au) The last trumpet spoken of is not the trumpets of
revelations but the last trump of the feast of trumpets , Yom Teruah or Rosh Hashannah,
it falls on the first day of Etanim, (also known traditionally as Tishri) which
is the seventh month (I.E. September 14 2015) on the Jewish lunar
Calendar. If He is accurate then we have a fixed date assigned to the rapture.
He also looks for this to happen prior to the tribulation events.
Looking at a statement by Willford Woodruff (Journal of Discourses
18:192) "...there must be a place of safety for the people of
God while his judgments are abroad in the earth, for the judgments of God will
visit the earth.." looks like the Pre-Tribulation option is off the
table.
At one point I had the section The Marvelous Work and a Wonder / Great and Marvelous Work 1 Neph 14:7 (Part of or same as His strange act? Isaiah 28:21, D&C 95:4; 101:95 ) (The meat of this whole section moved to the Day of the Lord 10/31/2018 based on 1 Neph 14:17. ) Looking at 1 Nephi 14:17 the Day of Wrath is where the GMW starts...???? This seemed to be out of place. So we now have a new web page covering this which may happen during this time frame or not….Looking at the full section of 1 Neph 14 looks like the focus of the work is that spelled out By John the Revelator the greater part follows below.. )
"The appearance at the
Elder
Parley P. Pratt summarized the events associated with that appearance:
“Zechariah, chapter 14, has told us much concerning the great battle and
overthrow of the nations that fight against Jerusalem, and he has said, in
plain words, that the Lord shall come at the very time of the overthrow of that
army; yes, in fact, even while they are in the act of taking Jerusalem, and
have already succeeded in taking one-half the city, spoiling their houses, and
ravishing their women. Then, behold, their long-expected Messiah, suddenly
appearing, shall stand upon the
Quake
#2
Arm
of the lord falls
We now reach the phase of the Lord's work where His arm falls in
judgment. The time to decide which side of the fence you are sitting on
is over. The judgment begins.
Lord Preaches his own sermon: D&C 43:25-26, 88:88-92
Seven Angels set: Rev. 8:2, 15:1 6-7, D&C 77:12
Trump/Plague #1: Rev. 8:7, 16:2
With
the first trump we have hail and fire mingled with blood. 1/3 part of the
trees burnt up along with all green grass. The first plague brings noisome and
grievous sore on all who have the mark of the beast.
A devastating hailstorm will destroy the crops of the earth: D&C 29:16
causing widespread famine
Trump/Plague #2: Rev. 8:8-9, 16:3
The
second trump brings 1/3 part of the sea became blood and 1/3 living in the sea
die 1/3 of ships destroyed. The second plague brings the blood of a dead man to
the sea and every living soul in the sea dies. I’m not sure if this ties
to the trump and the plague is only referencing the 1/3 of the sea that was
affected or if the plague is after the trump.
D&C 61
15-16;Wherefore,
the days will come that no flesh shall be safe upon the waters. And it shall be
said in days to come that none is able to go up to the
The
third trump brings the Wormwood star to 1/3 of the rivers and the fountains of
waters making them bitter, many men die. The third plague brings blood to
the rivers and fountains of water making them blood for the wicked to drink as
a righteous act of the Lord.
Trump/Plague #4: Rev. 8:12, 16:8-9
The
fourth trump brings 1/3 part of the sun, moon and starts smitten dark and a 1/3
part of the day also. The fourth plague brings a scorching of men with fire by
the sun and they repented not.
Woe #1/Trump & Plague #5:
The
beginning of three woes. The fifth trump brings the key to the bottomless pit.
The pit is opened and the locust reign for five months. Their mission is
to torment men that do not have the mark of god in their foreheads. The fifth
plague is against the seat of the beast and they gnawed their tongues and
repented not.
Woe #2/Trump & Plague #6:
The
sixth trump brings four bound angels to the great
Woe #3 / Trump 7 & Plague 7 Rev 11:14-19,
The
seventh woe and trump open a seen of rejoicing in heaven, the kingdoms of the
world have become the kingdoms of the Lord.
"desolating scourge" that will reach plague proportions: D&C
29:19
parents and children seeking each other's lives: Mark
Full end to all nations: D&C 87:6
Quake #3:
The great deep shall roll back into the north countries, Continents become
one again. D&C 133:23-24
Wicked
burned: Isaiah 24:6, Mal. 3:2, 4: 1, 3 Ne. 25: 1, D&C 64:23-24,
101:24-25, 133: 64
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Many may think that this is not a argued section, and to that I say, you could
be correct, however I do want to take the opportunity to return to where we
started. Let's return to Section 45 of the D&C the 44th verse.
What does it mean to be cut off? Now we get into the debate.
Many
Christians, I think the majority, have this key event in mind when the topic of
the second coming is brought up. Where the discussion goes from there is what
we need to examine. You have the "Pre-Trib Rapture"ists that
jump over this and all of the tribulations (with the exception of pre-wrath and
post-trib tribulationists). Other Christians, without having looked into
it, live with the hope that this event doesn't apply to them. Indeed many
of the "Born Again Christians" firmly believe that since their
acceptance of Christ as their savior they are protected from ever falling into
this category. Let’s examine who qualifies as "Wicked" for this
event. Brother McConkie points out;
"Malachi asked: "Who may abide the day of his
coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth?" (Mal. 3:2.) In answer he
said that Christ would come in judgment and be a swift witness against
sorcerers, adulterers, false swearers, and all who live after the manner of the
world, all who live a telestial law. All these -- the proud and the wicked --
would be as stubble when "the day cometh, that shall burn as an
oven." (Mal. 3; 4.)" (Bruce R. McConkie. Mormon Doctrine. p.697)
The wicked are "those who live a telestial
law". This should be clear to most LDS readers. Let's add to
this with analysis from Elder Pratt;
" … the subject of the coming of the Messiah, and the
ushering in of that glorious day called the Millennium, … all the wicked will
be destroyed from the earth by overwhelming judgments of God and by fire, at
the time of his coming… cleansed by fire from its wicked inhabitants, as it
once was by water; and this burning will include the priests as well as people;
all but a few shall be burned." (Parley P. Pratt. A Voice of Warning.
p.54)
Elder Pratt adds; "The earth will be cleansed by fire...
as it once was by water". He went on to add; "this burning will
include priests...all but a few will be burned". Will we also be
counted as the wicked as in the days of Noah. Will our pride not allow us
to be counted worthy of the first resurrection? let's' add a key point to
the list. From Joseph Smith we have;
" The prophets all through the ages, when predicting
the time of the second coming of our Lord, have spoken of the destruction of
the wicked. Isaiah in his twenty-fourth chapter said: "Therefore hath the
curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate; therefore
the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left." Malachi speaks
of the day coming that shall burn as an oven; "and all the proud, yea, and
all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them
up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor
branch." (Joseph Fielding Smith. Church History and Modern Revelation. Vol
1, p.145)
The root or branch talked about is reference to eternal
increase, which comes only to those in the
(22-8) Matthew 24:40 . Why Is It That One Is Destroyed and
the Other Left Alone
When the Lord Returns?
"Thus those who shall abide the day, who shall remain on the
earth when it is
transfigured ( D. & C. 63:20–21 ), are those who are honest and upright and
who
are living at least that law which would take them to the terrestrial kingdom
of
glory in the resurrection. Anyone living by telestial standards can no longer
remain on earth and so cannot abide the day.
"Hence we find Malachi listing among those who shall not abide the day the
following: sorcerers; adulterers; false swearers; those who oppress the
hireling, the widow, and the fatherless in their wages; those who lead men away
from the truth; those who do not fear God; members of the true Church who do
not
pay an honest tithing; they that work wickedness; and the proud. All these, he
says, shall be as stubble when the day comes that shall burn as an oven. ( Mal.
3 ; 4 ; D. & C. 64:23–25 .)" (McConkie, DNTC, 1:669.
I need help understanding this. Those who qualify for the Celestial kingdom will be caught up, those who qualify for the Telestial will be burned. Where does that leave the Terrestrial beings? From the above McConkie statement "... who shall remain on the earth when it is transfigured.." may lead you with the understanding that those who quailify to be in the Terrestrial kingdom will remain on the earth even though the earth is to undergo transfiguration and be cleansed by fire prior to the millenium? Seems at odds with the following statement: “......Following this great event, and after the Lord and the righteous who are caught up to meet him have descended upon the earth, there will come to pass another resurrection. This may be considered as a part of the first, although it comes later. In this resurrection will come forth those of the terrestrial order, who were not worthy to be caught up to meet him, but who are worthy to come forth to enjoy the millennial reign” (Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [1954–56], 2:295–97).
Seems to me that from "...the terrestrial order, who were not
worthy to be caught up to meet him.." resurrected beings (that
died, to include those cleansed during the buring) not worhty to be caught up
shows that they will be included with the wicked and burned.
from the study group we have(
Brenda posted
Re: [lds2ndcoming] Re: What is the state of those who
qualify for the
The
Celestial and Terrestrial are both caught up, but the Celestial are caught up a
little higher - up into a cloud, whereas the Terrestrial will be caught up to
escape the burning of the earth, to cleanse it.
Those
people will then wonder what we were doing up there in the cloud, and the
missionary work will commence.
Had never
heard this before, but was taught it at a Seminary Inservice meeting. I will
have to go back and look up my notes to get the details and scripture
references.Also, during the Millenium people living on the earth will undergo a
slight change, live till they are and then die and be resurrected in the
twinking of an eye. They will recieve help from Resurrected beings who will be
around during the Millenium.
Sorry so
jumbled, trying to make dinner, but I had a second,
Brenda......
waiting for the references for this.....
Pending this update from Brenda. I have returned to my prior assumption that only those that qualify for the Celestial Kingdom will not be burned. So the wicked (Telestial) and the Proud (Terrestrial) will be burned.