Day of the Lord
<<<<<< Pre pickering book review old view saved as (02112023_PP_Wrath) Not sure what to do with this whole Day of the Lord/Wrath
section. Seems the moving of the Pickering dates’ Rapture event has made the Day of the Lord a complete 2nd half of the seven year period thing rather than an event at the end of it, making this a Mid Tribulation view.
Starts with: the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, stars will fall from the sky (Joel , Matthew 24:29). In Revelation 6:12, this coincides with the opening of the sixth seal, when the sun turns black and the moon turns blood red. 2 Thes 2:1-3,
Earthquake #1: Rev 6:12, 8:5-6 Opening of the Sixth seal of Revelations
As a call to arms we start out the vengeance of the Lord with voices and thunderings and lightnings and the first earthquake.
Earth reel to and fro: D&C 45:48, 88:87, Haggai 2:6-7,22, Isa 24:20, Heb 12:26
Sun Dark, Moon Blood: D&C 45:42, Rev 6:12, Mat 24:29, Joel 2:31 (According to Pre-Wrath theory (PWV) this marks the start of the Day of the Lord)
Four Angels standing on the four corners of the earth: Rev 7:1
"AND after these things I saw four angels• standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds• of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."
Could the Four Angels standing on the four corners of the earth be an actual sign in heaven? What I mean is an astronomical alignment of four stars or planets. John Pratt identified these four angels as the Royal Stars. (Regulus, Antares, Fomalhaut and Aldebaran) (John P. Pratt. Divine Calendars: Astronomical Witnesses of Sacred Events, AstroCal.: Page 201) I understand that the alignment of these stars with a typical alignment like the solstice/equinox won't happen until around 3100 AD, but what about other alignments? If we read revelations with the understanding of these signs being astronomical events what other type of alignments might make sense?
End of Silence in heaven for the space of half an hour, the face of the Lord unveiled : D&C 88:95
Sign of Son of Man in Heaven / great sign in heaven all people see it together Math 24:30, D&C 88:93
This sign is not well understood and is usually confused with other signs in the heavens. When I first looked at Mat 24:30 I wanted to move this event to a location prior to the gathering of the House of Israel however on further examination I believe that this is the correct location and what Matthew must have been seeing is the trumps of the resurrection not the gathering of the House of Israel in the Great and Marvelous work. Let's take a further look into this particular event. Joseph Smith has commented on this topic and placed it into its proper sequence. Let's take a look;
"Judah must return, Jerusalem must be rebuilt, and the temple, and water come out from under the temple, and the waters of the Dead Sea be healed. …all this must be done before the Son of Man will make his appearance. …..then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven." (Joseph Fielding Smith. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Section Six 1843–44, p.286)
Notice the placement of this event. I will also comment on the last portion of this in my section. In this statement Joseph went on to declare that the Prophet will know what the sign is when it is given. Brother McConkie also touches on this;
" Among the heavenly signs and wonders of the last days, one is to stand out particularly as the harbinger of the coming of our Lord. It is singled out and known as the sign of the Son of Man. …….. When this sign is given, however, it will be known to and identified by the Prophet of God on earth. (Teachings, pp. 279-280.)" (Bruce R. McConkie. Mormon Doctrine. p.712)
In addition to the Prophet identifying the sign the elect will recognize the sign. Brother McConkie goes on to say;
"After the abomination of desolation sweeps Jerusalem in the last days; after the city is taken, its houses rifled, its women ravished, and half its inhabitants taken into captivity; after the sun and the moon refuse to give light and the stars fall from heaven -- then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven. At this time, the Lord in his wisdom has not seen fit to reveal the nature of this sign, though from what follows it is clear that the elect will recognize it as the heavenly portent given to announce the coming of their King." (Bruce R. McConkie. The Mortal Messiah. Vol.3, p.448)
I'm not sure if Brother McConkie was aware of the following quote from President Woodruff however, some have taken this definition to be the sign of the son of man spoken of. Let's take a look;
"… I became wrapped in vision. I was like Paul; I did not know whether I was in the body or out of the body. A personage appeared to me and showed me the great scenes that should take place in the last days. …. I saw seven golden lamps set in the heavens, representing the various dispensations of God to man—a sign that would appear before the coming of Christ." (Wilford Woodruff. The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff. p.285)
Another possible take on what the sign could be: (See section Greater Exodus )
Avraham Gileadi “…Jehovah will form a cloud by day and a mist glowing with fire by night…”
From Eddie Chumney (found on youtube 7/1/22) The sign will be the greater part of the Gathering of Israel which will be with a cloud by date and pillar of fire by night that all the world would see……..
Lord Preaches his own sermon, Cleansing/ Arm of the lord falls / Day of the Lord : D&C 43:25-26, 88:88-92
Now at the end of the 3 1/2 year period the Two prophets are killed and lie dead in the street for 3.5 days: Do they start the Morning of the first resurrection?
Looking at the sequence found in D&C 88:96 (Also 45:45) the saints will be caught up prior to Christ's visit to the Jews at the Mount of Olives just after the Battle of Armageddon so the next event could be one in the same with the event listed right after that. Also Bro McConkie points out that the Saints are caught up after the unveiling of the Lord:
"All these things, particularly the hidden and undefined period of silence, are somewhat enigmatic. ..... immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled." Then -- and these events, of necessity, are chronological -- then "the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him." These are they of whom Paul and others have spoken, as we have heretofore seen. They all shall abide the day and receive an inheritance in the holy city." : Bruce R. McConkie, The Millennial Messiah, p.635 - p.636
Prophets are raised up Rev 11:11-12
At one point I had the section The Marvelous Work and a Wonder / Great and Marvelous Work 1 Neph 14:7 (Part of or same as His strange act? Isaiah 28:21, D&C 95:4; 101:95 ) (The meat of this whole section moved to the Day of the Lord 10/31/2018 based on 1 Neph 14:17. ) Looking at 1 Nephi 14:17 the Day of Wrath is where the GMW starts...???? This seemed to be out of place. So we now have a new web page covering this which may happen during this time frame or not….Looking at the full section of 1 Neph 14 looks like the focus of the work is that spelled out By John the Revelator the greater part follows below.. )
The Lords sets His foot on Mnt. Olives: D&C 45:48, 133:20, Zech 14:3-5
"The appearance at the
Elder Parley P. Pratt summarized the events associated with that appearance: “Zechariah, chapter 14, has told us much concerning the great battle and overthrow of the nations that fight against Jerusalem, and he has said, in plain words, that the Lord shall come at the very time of the overthrow of that army; yes, in fact, even while they are in the act of taking Jerusalem, and have already succeeded in taking one-half the city, spoiling their houses, and ravishing their women. Then, behold, their long-expected Messiah, suddenly appearing, shall stand upon the Mount of Olives, a little east of Jerusalem, to fight against those nations and deliver the Jews. Zechariah says the Mount of Olives shall cleave in twain, from east to west, and one-half of the mountain shall remove to the north while the other half falls off to the south, suddenly forming a very great valley into which the Jews shall flee for protection from their enemies as they fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah, king of Judah; while the Lord cometh and all the saints with Him. Then will the Jews behold that long, long-expected Messiah, coming in power to their deliverance, as they always looked for him. He will destroy their enemies, and deliver them from trouble at the very time they are in the utmost consternation, and about to be swallowed up by their enemies. But what will be their astonishment when they are about to fall at the feet of their Deliverer and acknowledge him their Messiah! They discover the wounds which were once made in his hands, feet, and side; and on inquiry, at once recognize Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews, the man so long rejected. Well did the prophet say, they shall mourn and weep, every family apart, and their wives apart. But, thank heaven, there will be an end to their mourning; for he will forgive their iniquities and cleanse them from uncleanness. Jerusalem shall be a holy city from that time forth.” (Voice of Warning, pp. 32–33.)" : http://www.ldsces.org/inst_manuals/dc-in/dc-in-200-g-i.htm#h
Quake #2 , , The Big one “…great aearthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.” Caused by the previous event? Lords sets His foot on Mnt. Olives
of the lord falls
We now reach the phase of the Lord's work where His arm falls in judgment. The time to decide which side of the fence you are sitting on is over. The judgment begins.
Lord Preaches his own sermon: D&C 43:25-26, 88:88-92
Seven Angels set: Rev. 8:2, 15:1 6-7, D&C 77:12
Trump/Plague #1: Rev. 8:7, 16:2
With the first trump we have hail and fire mingled with blood. 1/3 part of the trees burnt up along with all green grass. The first plague brings noisome and grievous sore on all who have the mark of the beast.
A devastating hailstorm will destroy the crops of the earth: D&C 29:16 causing widespread famine
Trump/Plague #2: Rev. 8:8-9, 16:3
The second trump brings 1/3 part of the sea became blood and 1/3 living in the sea die 1/3 of ships destroyed. The second plague brings the blood of a dead man to the sea and every living soul in the sea dies. I’m not sure if this ties to the trump and the plague is only referencing the 1/3 of the sea that was affected or if the plague is after the trump.
15-16;Wherefore, the days will come that no flesh shall be safe upon the waters. And it shall be said in days to come that none is able to go up to the land of Zion upon the waters, but he that is upright in heart.
Trump/Plague #3: Rev. 8:10-11, 16:4-7
The third trump brings the Wormwood star to 1/3 of the rivers and the fountains of waters making them bitter, many men die. The third plague brings blood to the rivers and fountains of water making them blood for the wicked to drink as a righteous act of the Lord.
Trump/Plague #4: Rev. 8:12, 16:8-9
The fourth trump brings 1/3 part of the sun, moon and starts smitten dark and a 1/3 part of the day also. The fourth plague brings a scorching of men with fire by the sun and they repented not.
Woe #1/Trump & Plague #5: , 9:1-11,-11
The beginning of three woes. The fifth trump brings the key to the bottomless pit. The pit is opened and the locust reign for five months. Their mission is to torment men that do not have the mark of god in their foreheads. The fifth plague is against the seat of the beast and they gnawed their tongues and repented not.
Woe #2/Trump & Plague #6: Rev 8:13, 9:13-21, 16:12-16
sixth trump brings four bound angels to the great
The Great Church is bound ready to be burned. The Trump will sound loud and long and all nations hear it: D&C 45:50, 88:94
Woe #3 / Trump 7 & Plague 7 Rev 11:14-19, -21
The seventh woe and trump open a seen of rejoicing in heaven, the kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of the Lord.
"desolating scourge" that will reach plague proportions: D&C 29:19
parents and children seeking each other's lives: Mark , HC 3:391
Full end to all nations: D&C 87:6
The great deep shall roll back into the north countries, Continents become one again. D&C 133:23-24
Wicked burned: Isaiah 24:6, Mal. 3:2, 4: 1, 3 Ne. 25: 1, D&C 64:23-24, 101:24-25, 133: 64
Many may think that this is not a argued section, and to that I say, you could be correct, however I do want to take the opportunity to return to where we started. Let's return to Section 45 of the D&C the 44th verse. What does it mean to be cut off? Now we get into the debate.
Many Christians, I think the majority, have this key event in mind when the topic of the second coming is brought up. Where the discussion goes from there is what we need to examine. You have the "Pre-Trib Rapture"ists that jump over this and all of the tribulations (with the exception of pre-wrath and post-trib tribulationists). Other Christians, without having looked into it, live with the hope that this event doesn't apply to them. Indeed many of the "Born Again Christians" firmly believe that since their acceptance of Christ as their savior they are protected from ever falling into this category. Let’s examine who qualifies as "Wicked" for this event. Brother McConkie points out;
"Malachi asked: "Who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth?" (Mal. 3:2.) In answer he said that Christ would come in judgment and be a swift witness against sorcerers, adulterers, false swearers, and all who live after the manner of the world, all who live a telestial law. All these -- the proud and the wicked -- would be as stubble when "the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven." (Mal. 3; 4.)" (Bruce R. McConkie. Mormon Doctrine. p.697)
The wicked are "those who live a telestial law". This should be clear to most LDS readers. Let's add to this with analysis from Elder Pratt;
" … the subject of the coming of the Messiah, and the ushering in of that glorious day called the Millennium, … all the wicked will be destroyed from the earth by overwhelming judgments of God and by fire, at the time of his coming… cleansed by fire from its wicked inhabitants, as it once was by water; and this burning will include the priests as well as people; all but a few shall be burned." (Parley P. Pratt. A Voice of Warning. p.54)
Elder Pratt adds; "The earth will be cleansed by fire... as it once was by water". He went on to add; "this burning will include priests...all but a few will be burned". Will we also be counted as the wicked as in the days of Noah. Will our pride not allow us to be counted worthy of the first resurrection? let's' add a key point to the list. From Joseph Smith we have;
" The prophets all through the ages, when predicting the time of the second coming of our Lord, have spoken of the destruction of the wicked. Isaiah in his twenty-fourth chapter said: "Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate; therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left." Malachi speaks of the day coming that shall burn as an oven; "and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch." (Joseph Fielding Smith. Church History and Modern Revelation. Vol 1, p.145)
The root or branch talked about is reference to eternal increase, which comes only to those in the Celestial Kingdom. We know that those that will be caught up to meet Christ, qualify for the Celestial Kingdom, and will avoid the burning fire. Elder McConkie pointed out that those living Telestial lives would burn. From the Institute manual "The Life and Teachings of Jesus and His Apostles" we have the follwoing on this topic:
(22-8) Matthew 24:40 . Why Is It That One Is Destroyed and
the Other Left Alone
When the Lord Returns?
"Thus those who shall abide the day, who shall remain on the earth when it is
transfigured ( D. & C. 63:20–21 ), are those who are honest and upright and who
are living at least that law which would take them to the terrestrial kingdom of
glory in the resurrection. Anyone living by telestial standards can no longer
remain on earth and so cannot abide the day.
"Hence we find Malachi listing among those who shall not abide the day the
following: sorcerers; adulterers; false swearers; those who oppress the
hireling, the widow, and the fatherless in their wages; those who lead men away
from the truth; those who do not fear God; members of the true Church who do not
pay an honest tithing; they that work wickedness; and the proud. All these, he
says, shall be as stubble when the day comes that shall burn as an oven. ( Mal.
3 ; 4 ; D. & C. 64:23–25 .)" (McConkie, DNTC, 1:669.
I need help understanding this. Those who qualify for the Celestial kingdom will be caught up, those who qualify for the Telestial will be burned. Where does that leave the Terrestrial beings? From the above McConkie statement "... who shall remain on the earth when it is transfigured.." may lead you with the understanding that those who quailify to be in the Terrestrial kingdom will remain on the earth even though the earth is to undergo transfiguration and be cleansed by fire prior to the millenium? Seems at odds with the following statement: “......Following this great event, and after the Lord and the righteous who are caught up to meet him have descended upon the earth, there will come to pass another resurrection. This may be considered as a part of the first, although it comes later. In this resurrection will come forth those of the terrestrial order, who were not worthy to be caught up to meet him, but who are worthy to come forth to enjoy the millennial reign” (Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [1954–56], 2:295–97).
Seems to me that from "...the terrestrial order, who were not worthy to be caught up to meet him.." resurrected beings (that died, to include those cleansed during the buring) not worhty to be caught up shows that they will be included with the wicked and burned.
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Re: [lds2ndcoming] Re: What is the state of those who qualify for the Terestial Kingdom?
Need time to research, but off the top of my head -
The Celestial and Terrestrial are both caught up, but the Celestial are caught up a little higher - up into a cloud, whereas the Terrestrial will be caught up to escape the burning of the earth, to cleanse it.
Those people will then wonder what we were doing up there in the cloud, and the missionary work will commence.
Had never heard this before, but was taught it at a Seminary Inservice meeting. I will have to go back and look up my notes to get the details and scripture references.Also, during the Millenium people living on the earth will undergo a slight change, live till they are and then die and be resurrected in the twinking of an eye. They will recieve help from Resurrected beings who will be around during the Millenium.
Sorry so jumbled, trying to make dinner, but I had a second,
Brenda...... waiting for the references for this.....
Pending this update from Brenda. I have returned to my prior assumption that only those that qualify for the Celestial Kingdom will not be burned. So the wicked (Telestial) and the Proud (Terrestrial) will be burned.